Sketchup 2023 replace is a giant disappointment – SketchUp

I preserve saying this and I’ll say it once more, cease losing time, power and cash on the free (internet based mostly) model of SketchUp (that additionally contains SketchUp for the Ipad) and as a substitute make investments all that power into making Format a extra succesful and strong product. Let’s seal the deal and make SketchUp the trade main architectural software program it was meant to be.

I’ve stop griping on the discussion board about SketchUp and their growth habits.

Over the past 15 years, what number of main releases had you excited? OK, maybe I’m aiming slightly excessive. Over the past 15 years what number of main releases had new options really helpful to professionals? It appears to be a pattern forming of taking capabilities, already catered for by third get together builders as a result of lack thereof within the guardian software program, and develop one thing comparable and integrating it (thus placing the third get together developer out of pocket).

The earlier you realise that the event group solely observe their very own agenda, irrespective of how a lot they protest on the contrary, the higher for you. They’ve completely different targets they wish to meet, creating for platforms that can preserve them chasing their tails sooner or later. Arrange your workflow, work out what you do and wish to perform that aim inside the ecosystem.

Sadly most individuals are actually locked into the subscription system, and nonetheless not getting the professional updates one would count on (and allured to when promoting the subscription system for adoption by the general public), thereby guaranteeing their income stream (inside attrition / progress norms) with out the necessity to really innovate and develop.

SketchUp by itself is slightly succesful, particularly so with the plethora of plugins / extensions out there. What the software program wants is for Format to obtain a number of love. Ideally it needs to be a single set up executable, not a separate software program. One thing within the spirit of persona’s between which you turn, as Affinity has.

Simply my ideas on this, it hasn’t modified in years. I dare them to strive although.

I completely agree, SketchUp because it at present stands is fairly first rate. Now we simply want slightly TLC utilized to Format.

I do know, I sound like a damaged file already.

They don’t dare to develop, they wish to reside within the save zone by love of previous individuals.

We´ll simply should preserve pushing. I do imagine the groups are proficient and hardworking.
The work on the iPad model I imagine was their means of dipping their toes into the apple silicon factor, which they finally needed to to anyway. However I do hope they’re completed with this now, and able to transfer on.

Sketchup for internet – I dont know what that was for.

We acquired one minor enchancment to the Format workflow now that the gizmo as a rotate software really works. I need the arc software to really work, and for inferencing in Format to really work. I need fundamental 2D drawing operations in Format to really work. So extra pushing …

Properly, right here we’re in 2023 and within the AEC world we’re anticipated to all be adopting BIM workflows, even for smaller initiatives.
For the previous few years now we have been capable of muddle by, largely due to variety plugin writers, however I for one was anticipating to ultimately see some main updates when it comes to the SU ifc dealing with.
What a disappointment; not solely does the native export perform nonetheless mess up the hierarchy, however on set up of 2023 the stunning bt_IFCmanager extension stopped working !
And what about simply including PSets ?? Nada !
Given what’s being proposed for when it comes to Stage Of Info Wants within the upcoming European Norm EN 17412-2:20xx mainly we’re going to have to maneuver to Revit or Archicad or comparable.
What a tragic & sorry state of affairs while you study that, in France 47% of architects (so, some 17000 people) are in small (as much as 3 individuals) outfits & 52% of french architects declare having by no means completed any BIM, this huge potential consumer group will NOT select SU, however go straight for the large weapons if the BIM capabilities of SU don’t shift & quick, so that’s some almost 9000 potential licences in France alone !
So do the maths Trimble, in order for you simply to maintain individuals who mess about on ipads, tremendous, do nothing for us, however if you’re critical about SU for the AEC trade, you need to get cracking and have interaction with us finish customers & develop the BIM capabilities we’d like ! (I do know, I’ve been banging on about this for a variety of years, however like others right here, we in my workplace have spent quite a lot of time and power discovering methods across the quick falls, however that is crunch time).
Thanks upfront for lastly listening.

However truthfully, the 2nd dwg export from sketchup is my largest drawback and I assume you may rewrite that code many thousand instances and nonetheless use much less time than what has been spend by customers worrying about this.

I believe individuals on this thread broadly overestimate the place of SU and the function trimble it keen to present it.

SU is ot a direct rival of Archicad or Revit. It’s also not a rival of Autocad. When individuals ask SU to turn out to be a rival of a type of firms, they don’t perceive it. It could be like evaluating iMovie to DaVinci or AdobePremiere.

yeah, no. Once more, you need to realise SU is not only tailor-made on your private wants. If there are 5 million customers (granted, professional, free, ipad…), there should not 5 thousands and thousands architects.
And even then, I do know architects nonetheless utilizing vectorworks, allplans or autocad, I do know architects utilizing archicad. and yeah, some are on revit. However there’s an unimaginable quantity of SU consumer who… aren’t involved by these softwares.

So what, SU needs to be moulded particularly for these 9K potential consumers and never the thousands and thousands of different ones ?
Plus, once more, these architects are shifting to architects instruments, tailor-made for BIM. Archicad and revit.

What individuals want to know, is that SU is an affordable professional software program, and sooner or later, if their wants transcend, they both must dig within the extensions, or transfer to a extra tailored software program.
Should you design tiny programs, solidworks. for those who design airplanes, Catia. and for those who design structure or engineering, particularly BIM, then transfer to a (far costlier) BIM software like revit or Archicad.
Since you’ve outgrown sketchup

Properly, that actually seems like a “f” off and cease complaining !

In fact I’m not saying that SU needs to be tailor-made to the 9000 !
However, as an necessary subset of the customers, it could have been good to be heard and revered.
It’s a must to agree that a lot of the imagery & advertising of Trimble round SU may be very a lot structure based mostly & they wish to say that they need it to stay a software for the AEC trade with their Trimble join server… so it COULD keep related by addressing the IFC points WITHOUT that taking away from customers who don’t work within the constructing trade.
As to the concept now we have “outgrown sketchup”, that’s simply down proper patronizing, as if sketchup was for kids and the true adults use Revit or Archicad.
I’ve stated for years that for us smaller outfits, on the coal face of medium sized public & non-public initiatives, SU has been a viable possibility & now we have certainly invested a lot time & therfore $, in making that work for us, and lots of due to all of the plugin writers who’ve made that potential !
Is it actually that a lot of an enormous process for the builders within the SU group to kind out right ifc export and including PSets ?
As I’ve stated earlier than, Revit & co are most likely tremendous for those who do massive advanced buildings like hospitals or one thing, however for what we do, it looks like taking a bazooka to kill a fly, however heh, if that’s the one means for us to proceed to have the ability to keep in our sport, yeah, perhaps we are going to simply “f” off and do this.
That can at the least make @ateliernab joyful.
However someway, I don’t suppose I’m alone…
Comfortable tenting all.

I don’t imagine that ateliernab meant it the best way you appear to have taken it — extra, like myself, at a sure degree of undertaking complexity and interplay with different consultants, SketchUp/Format works okay and if I had been to begin to tackle bigger extra advanced initiatives then SketchUp/Format wouldn’t reduce the mustard and I would wish to contemplate shifting to different platforms.

( after all, if that ever occurred, then it could be nice if I may make that transition with SketchUp/Format )

I’m allowed to snigger ?
I laughed final yr, and the one earlier than that, and since Trimble acquired SketchUp mainly.
They need to know by now, not even a put up on the SketchUp weblog to brag concerning the new icons agencements within the 2023, sorry, 17,6 model.

yep. your wants have outgrown the instruments provided by a sure software program. I used to work on Canvas, however my wants have outgrown the chances, and I’ve moved on to photoshop. I used to chop paper by hand however my wants have outgrown my talents and now I exploit a plotter. Architects used to attract views by hand and now they’ve moved on to 3D rederings. doesn’t imply handmade persective is for childrens.

There may be nothing infantile right here. You begin working with a software, and typically alongside the best way you realise you want to transfer on to a different software. perhaps in 10 years Revit customers will transfer to a brand new platform, similar to they did after they left autocad structure within the first place.

there’s a purpose why just about not one of the architects I do know (both from my structure diploma or later work) don’t use SU as a principal software. As a result of regardless of what trimble says, it’s not appropriate for an structure workplace as a principal software. And yeah, some individuals nonetheless handle to do it, good for them.
10+ years after my diploma, my former colleagues both (nonetheless) use autocad for technical stuff+ SU for the renders, or revit/archicad for each, due to BIM. They usually see SU because the factor they used after they began.

properly that doesn’t make for marketing strategy, to be a factor of the previous…

The entire constructing trade, small and massive initiatives, is shifting in direction of extra operability. So that you want the pdfs, AND the 2D dwg, AND the ifc. Extra exports to supply or import, extra usually, and it’s annoying, however that’s the actuality.

I’ve by no means understood the entire “SU is for architects” place from trimble.
SU is nice for desighers, residence stagers, it may be good for builders and to make fast ideas in structure. It’s good to make pictures and such. I’ve seen it utilized in occasion organising, television/film set design, comicbooks design and lots of different felds, and I managed to suit properly for all of these.
However ask architects to decide on between precise structure software program and SU and it’ll free.

15 years in the past it was already vastly outmatched by the BIM twins (revit and archicad), and it’s at all times bizarre after I hear / learn individuals say “properly, for an structure software program, it’s not on the degree of the remaining”.
yeah. it’s by no means been designed, equiped and priced to take action.
EDIT : and let’s be honnest, the truth that a giant new factor this yr is a REVIT importer ought to present us that SU shouldn’t be developped as a rival however as a complementary software. Design in Revit, put furnitures and do particulars in sketchup, after which render in vray. SU studio looks like an extension for revit this yr

And so yeah, for those who count on, yr after yr, for SU to maneuver nearer within the course of the BIM twins, you’re up for a yearly dissapointment, as @N1KO talked about.
The one hope appears to be Studio. THey seem to attempt to develop studio as an architecture-oriented licence, whereas professional is a generalist one. However we’re not there but, and received’t be quickly sufficient.

Properly, first off I by no means stated it was only for me…What I stated was “It’s not a matter of “if” we/they/anybody makes use of Revit…and I humbly disagree with you concerning the quantity of firms massive/small/in any other case that use Revit. Yea I’m an previous goat and doubtless don’t know my butt from a gap within the floor (as many will inform you) however from my expertise in consulting for HVAC design? Currently, I’ve not seen anybody that makes use of the rest BUT Revit. So this “importer” is gonna save me cash bigtime this yr.
And if I run into somebody who nonetheless makes use of ACAD properly I can simply import these .dxf information as properly…so it’s a win/win for me…

No disappointment from this “hobbyist previous goat” right here…And I hope everybody has day at present!

Clearly there are lots of of us pissed off with the dearth of growth within the areas we look after. The way in which I see it there are solely 3 choices:

1. Maintain ready and hoping one thing will enhance
2. Leap ship to a different software program (archicad, revit, and many others)
3. Be a part of forces and consolidate what options we’d like most after which rent one of many many Sketchup builders to construct it for us (if potential).

I’m keen to make an funding of my money and time for third possibility. I can not do it alone although. If any of you have an interest let’s create a think-tank group and see if there’s one thing we will do about it.

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In case you are speaking about leaping ship to archica, revit, and many others, then it’s best to do it. It’s unattainable that Sketchup will go that means.

From Sketchup, I simply want minor enhancements and principally bug fixes. A number of the bug fixes had been actually necessary to me (Sections inside Xrefed Sketchup Parts), a number of the enhancements I’m now not relying on them (IFC assist and DWG export/import from Format).

Cease wishing that Sketchup goes completely different locations. It’s going to remain the place it’s. It’s for structure design, not for building documentation. For small stuff you’ll be able to push it, however that’s it.

Maybe, it appears,

at sure ranges within the trade…

For me and others, we produced detailed, info wealthy building paperwork for a residing.